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  1. One of our members is a gifted poet, writing on subjects that reflect Labour values and current issues. We are very pleased to share these with you.

    Poems by Cassandra

    THE GRASS ROOTS
    The grass has upped it’s roots-
    Is dancing with the daisies,
    Bathing in the morning dew
    On a million garden lawns.

    Change is hanging in the air,
    Seeds are blowing on the wind,
    Travelling far afield
    Seeking fertile ground.

    No more constant mowing
    To keep the people down.
    We’re on the move-
    And on the way- we’re singing freedom songs.

    LEADERSHIP
    A leader for the future
    Is a warm and gentle soul-
    Listening to all views,
    Freely expressed,
    And heard by all.
    An overall decision
    Will be reached.
    And that may not be
    The opinion of the leader.
    Those with the strongest allegiance
    Will carry the consensus forward,
    Leaving the leader
    To hold the energy of the group.

    SPREADING THE WORD
    Our roots,
    As the Aquilegias
    Will take hold in any soil.
    Our multicoloured flowering
    Is joy to behold.
    Our seed pods burst and scatter
    Far and wide.

    ELEVEN PLUS

    Charlie & Peter & Tommy & me,
    At school together since we woz three.
    Teacher says, cos I’m so clever,
    That the others and me will part for ever.
    But I say- stuff her- and her test.
    I just want to stay with the rest.

    ELEVEN MINUS

    Susie is clever-
    She sat for a test.
    She passed it with ease
    Ahead of the rest.

    Her teacher and parents
    Were all so thrilled.
    To hear their high praises,
    Her heart it was filled.

    Now Susie is lonesome-
    She’s lost her best friend.
    Amongst all these strangers
    Will her heart ever mend?

    NATURE KNOWS BEST

    Nature’s gifts of sunlight
    And of the surging seas,
    Of waterfalls and winds that blow
    Give energy for free.
    She buries all the carbon fuels-
    Coal and gas and oil-
    Deep inside the planet
    Cos that’s where they’re meant to be.

    PEACE IN OUR LIVES

    Our personal wars
    Accumulate-
    Spill out negativity,
    Into the global conflicts
    Which threaten our world.

    We ask that nations
    Listen to each other,
    Negotiate,
    And come to some agreement.
    But… is that what we do?

    INTERNATIONAL TRADING
    Air miles
    From distant lands
    Bring us “stuff”
    Which is excessive
    To our needs.

    HOME IS WHERE YOUR BED IS

    Some people live in tents,
    Others in cardboard boxes
    In the doorways of our streets.

    At least, they deserve
    A roof, a bed,
    Shelter and comfort for the night.

    Some of us are lonely,
    And have rooms to spare.
    But we are reluctant to allow
    The world’s craziness
    To enter our homes.

    Likewise, that same fear
    Causes reluctance
    To share our country
    With those in need.

    ON REFUGEES

    From death I must flee-
    So become a refugee-
    No refuge for me.

    Now, how can it be-
    In escaping to be free-
    I drowned in the sea.

    SOURCES OF POWER

    Nature’s gift of sunlight
    And of the surging seas,
    Of waterfalls and winds that blow
    Give energy for free.
    She buries all the carbon fuels-
    Coal and gas and oil-
    Deep inside the planet-
    ‘Cos that’s where they’re meant to be.

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  2. Greetings fellow LP members in T&M. I am trying to find out what exactly Jeremy Corbyn and actually done or not done to annoy a lot of the PLP. I am not bothered to hear about what he has said – actions speak louder than words. I have emailed a few PLP members, but can get no responses. Do any of y’all know ? Martin Whillock. LP member since 1958.
    7 August 2016

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  3. Making sense of it all..

    Being CLP secretary it felt right not to comment on the forum page in the midst of conflicting views around the current leadership election. A trip to York to see Jeremy Corbyn in the company of my stepson James , Mick Johnson executive committee member and Kelly Belenger our new CLP youth officer and thousands of York citizens was that bit of a water shed moment that I had been hoping for.
    The crowd was a complete mix of individuals, I stood next to a woman in her eighties trying to peer over parents with children sitting on their shoulders. The hundreds of distinctly home made banners held high gave a tone of people desperate to make their point to someone they felt they had a personal investment in, these were both touching and desperate with people pleading for this man to stay the course and give them something meaningful to be a part of.
    Having been in the labour movement for forty years I was expecting a speaker adept in the technique of public speaking able to peel his audience off the surrounding walls in the tradition of Benn, Skinner, Scargill and so many others.

    When Jeremy took the stage to a momentous applause this small unassuming man simply reaffirmed his personal values and showed how they were indeed so relevant in a society that valued people and not the institutions of state. The message was warm and calm delivered with great clarity. Above all it highlighted the moment when a movement could articulate a different way of doing things to people currently untouched by politics. For a man so constantly criticised for his lack of leadership skills his unassuming stance and language has thousands moving in our direction, way beyond our wildest dreams.

    My couple of hours in York did clarify for me issues around the current conflict within our party which can be felt within our own CLP. Jeremy Corbyn did not come across as a life changing man with shining new insights into today’s problems he simply reflected back to all present what we needed to hear . His ability to do this and have achieved the position of Labour Leader does make this feel a life changing moment. I won’t find fault with those who desperately feel that what we need is power so that we can do what is needed for those in most need within our country. The truth is though that in repeatedly seeing power as the end goal, we have become slaves to spin, presentation and constant compromise resulting in loss of vision and those who should form the body and sole of our movement walking away.

    This is not about Jeremy who will come and go it is about the hundreds of thousands that have seen something good and honest that they want to be a part of. This is fresh and Corbyn has for now made it real. The hope must be that our party evolves into the mass movement that demonstrates through honest dialogue it can be trusted and achieve real and meaningful change, within this context new members of parliament and leaders will emerge making us we must hope united.

    Dave Yellen
    31 July 2016

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  4. All
    This is a statement from Bristol West MP Thangham Debbonaire about her experience of working with Jeremy Corbyn.

    Dear everyone who has asked me what my problems are with Corbyn’s leadership,

    Here is my experience.

    Mr Corbyn appointed me and press released this without my knowledge or consent whilst I was in the middle of cancer treatment. He then sacked me the next day when he realized he had given away part of someone else’s role. But didn’t bother to tell me that either. By then my office had been besieged by press and the story was out that I was Shadow Minister. I decided to make the best of it and to serve. I worked on his Arts policy whilst I was still having treatment but in Bristol..

    When I went back to Westminster, I discovered that he had sacked me but hadn’t told me and did not have any ideas for how I was supposed to explain it to Bristol West members or constituents. I was then faced with the choice of telling the truth – that he had made a series of errors, and inevitably thereby face a pile of criticism from his supporters – or say I had changed my mind about accepting the role – and thereby face a pile of criticism from.his supporters. And I knew the pile would arrive because I had seen how it went for others who had resigned. And because Corbyn supporters had already piled into me for disloyalty when I had had to miss votes for cancer treatment.

    I then, contrary to the story he keeps giving on TV, found it near on impossible to get to talk to him about this problem

    Eventually I did get to meet him and he had nothing to say. No idea what to do. It took my boss Maria Eagle to explain to him that as he was leader he could re appoint me if that was what he wanted.

    I then worked hard for him on his Arts policy, loyally didn’t go to the press about the above, got stuck in and worked. And yes, I enjoyed the role, it is one of my dream jobs in parliament and I believe I did Corbyn and the Labour Party a great service, as millions of people work in the arts and culture sectors and they valued being involved in policy-making. So it was never my intention to resign.

    However, I kept hearing from other colleagues on the front bench just how difficult or impossible it was to get a decision out of him on important policy issues – the very thing Corbyn is supposed to be good on. I also noticed that the policy making process through the National Policy Forum was being slowed down by lack of decisions from Corbyn’s office.

    But then he was missing in action during the EU referendum, including going on a week’s holiday three weeks before the day. I found that unforgivable. I had re-started campaigning in this campaign, phone-canvassing to conserve my energy, and kept hearing Labour voters saying ‘but your leader wants out, doesn’t he?’ His team didn’t send anyone to the EU Campaign meetings in Westminster and his lack of enthusiasm showed.

    On the day after the referendum he asked for an early Brexit. My constituents want exactly the opposite and were telling me so in their hundreds, and voted 85% to remain.

    That was the tipping point for me – it is not allowed to remain on the front bench whilst taking an opposing view to the leader in something so important.

    I therefore had to resign.

    The reason I then voted no confidence in him as leader is because I have no confidence in him as leader. See above. Plus I had found out from other front bench women how unwilling and unable Corbyn is to communicate with, listen to or work with anyone outside his narrow group.

    Since then he has stated publicly that he isn’t prioritizing winning elections. How can I support a Labour leader who doesn’t want to form a Labour government above everything? When working people, the old, the young, the poor, the country, need a Labour government above everything?

    I want a Labour government more than anything, because that is how we change the world and how we help millions of people, just as the 1997-2010 Labour government helped millions of people, my own family included.

    I profoundly wished I never had to say all this publicly, but people keep asking, and I believe they have a right to know the truth about what Corbyn’s leadership is like.

    We cannot win general elections with a leader who is unable and unwilling to learn how to communicate with, listen to and persuade people with whom he doesn’t already agree – we need to convince swing voters who voted Tory last year in Southern seats to vote Labour next time and we need Labour voters in Wales and the North to continue to vote Labour – without this we can’t win a general election.

    all that is what’s at stake. Not having a Labour government again is unbearable. I will do anything I can to help to ensure this. It’s the constitutional duty of all Labour MPs, especially the leader, to try to secure a better life for working class people through parliamentary means. And that’s what I will continue to do.

    I hope that’s clear

    Tim Prest
    Malton
    21 July 2016

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  5. As a new Labour member (but lifelong supporter), I just wanted to add my disappointment at not being able to vote for Jeremy Corbyn in the upcoming elections… and at a time when the Tories (soon to be freed from EU rules) seem hell-bent on forcing their selfish and destructive policies on the population.

    The NEC seem to be playing into the hands of the media and the Conservatives. I’m sick and tired of hearing people moaning about how JC is ‘unelectable’. How do these people know? The man is an absolute saint to put up with the biased news coverage and attacks from within his own party.

    There are very few people in politics that I trust any more.

    I can’t vote for Corbyn, but I will only remain a member of the Labour Party IF he continues as leader and the party returns to more Socialist values where the needs of ordinary people and their local environment (don’t get me started on fracking!) are put before the self-serving interests of tax-evading corporations and the banking community.

    Alan Moore
    21 July 2016

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  6. I am so upset with the media’s coverage of the PLP’s plan to topple our leader. They should be standing together against the Tories, but since the co-ordinated desertion we’ve heard nothing but bad mouthing and disloyalty. The question that should be asked of them is how many of them won the support in THEIR constituencies votes, Corbyn won in his. Cameron is the one who lied and mislead the voters, I should be in a fallout shelter now by his reckoning. Yes, there has been a fall in the economy, but it’s on the turn. That’s what happens when you take a chance, that’s NORMAL within the markets. The pound plummeted when we joined in the 70s, it was one of the reasons Harold Wilson lost his election. But we weathered the storm and the rest is history…and Britain can do it again, of that I am sure. I trust my Country and the determination of British people to come out on top. But I don’t trust the Tories to make it happen, and that upsets me. Because of the PLP I now have no voice and neither do you. I did’nt vote for Jeremy,but he is my leader. I may not show the same loyalty to a splitter, should they win. They’ve deserted me once, and could do it again.

    Ray Southern

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  7. I’ve voted Labour all my life, a member of Unison. I’ve worked in public services for families for fifteen years. After the referendum, the severity of dissolution meant in our country, the divide was so apparent that I felt I should join the party I have always voted for, especially at such a time where I feel that if I have an opinion about the state of this country and how damaged it is, then I should participate in supporting the person that I feel should leave this party.
    Now I’m informed that in order to do this, I have to pay more money. That doesn’t seem to fit with the Ethos of the Labour Party, the fact that the very people the party claim to represent have to pay £25 for their RIGHT to vote! Think about that, you are telling us that we have to pay for our RIGHT to vote in a DEMOCRATIC election. You have done this also in a most underhanded way by not informing people until just shortly before the election. That is most shameful and is Purely attempt to control the outcome. There is no other reason. You should be ashamed.

    Paul Cullen
    14 July 2016

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  8. It’s now nearly 24 hours since the NEC announced the new voting rules and we have yet to hear from either Jeremy Corbyn or John McDonnell if they are going to contest this decision on behalf of the 1000’s of new Labour members who have signed up to support Jeremy in the forth coming party election.
    I think that as one of 1000’s of new members who joined up with the knowledge that we would be able to vote we now need some leadership support on this disgraceful decision.
    Terry Beckwith
    14 July 2016

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  9. Dear Labour Party

    On 10th July 2016 I joined the Labour Party. I am 70 years old and this was the first time in my life that I had become affiliated to any political party.
    I joined the Labour Party for one reason only, to support Jeremy Corbyn in his time of need.

    My wife also would have liked to join, but money is tight and so we agreed that I should join and she would
    be able to use the £3 vote to show her allegiance. Now we find that I shall not be allowed to vote and
    we cannot afford £25 each for a one off vote. If this is what democracy within the Labour Party is, then
    I stand in disbelief. It seems like a plan to keep thousands of new members off the voting register, obviously orchestrated by the coup makers. I am not Surprised that Jeremy was kept out
    of the room when these two rule changes were made.

    I shall not renew my membership when due and it would be a generous gesture on the part of the Labour
    Party to reimburse my £23.50 enrolment fee and if that means resigning then so be it.

    Yours sincerely

    Terry Beckwith
    13 July 2016

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  10. @ Terry Beckwith
    I totally agree with you and I had written the following email to the Labour Party
    this morning before I saw your comment:
    “I hope the NEC will reverse their decision to deprive new members of
    the right to vote in the upcoming leadership election.
    By all means, bring in any rules you like with effect from now,
    but the members who have joined until now did so on the clear understanding
    that they WOULD be allowed to vote immediately, and to change the rules days
    after taking their money is just dodgy, bordering on dishonest.
    I think the image of the Labour Party has taken quite enough knocks in the last
    few weeks, without us going back on explicit promises now.”
    I really hope they change their minds.
    If you and your wife stay in the party, which would be great, then make sure they charge you
    the OAP rate. I had to remind them about it when I first joined, but they reimbursed
    me.
    After posting I have just received an email with a petition at 38Degrees to
    allow new members to vote in the upcoming NEC elections:
    https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/request-a-change-in-the-cut-off-date-for-members-who-join-labour-to-vote-in-nec-elections?bucket=&source=twitter-share-button

    Annemarie Kerry 13.07.16

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  11. With regret I have come to the conclusion that Jeremy Corbyn should resign as leader. While he has done many good things and has stuck to his principles, in these exceptional times he should go. His leadership in the Remain campaign was uninspiring and the fact that he has lost the support of the majority of the PLP means that he cannot effectively lead in Parliament or present a credible opposition.

    The referendum, which was so poorly set up that a small majority could impose such a dramatic constitutional change with 37% of the electorate, while in most countries such a change would possibly need a 2/3 majority, was so distorted by lies as to merit little respect. The immediate withdrawal of the £350,000 million promise and the admission that migration was likely to continue demonstrate that these lies were used to skew the result.

    If a united Labour Party, able to seek support from like-minded Green, Lib.Dem. and even some moderate Conservatives could either push for either a General Election or a referendum on the terms of withdrawal with policies which addressed some of the concerns of the disaffected ex-Labour supporters there might be a chance to save the decent Britain which we hope for. Such policies might include:

    1. the strict enforcement by a much enhanced team of inspectors of a Living Wage with automatic prosecution of companies like Sports Direct which break the law,
    2. a requirement to advertise all vacancies in the local area as well as elsewhere
    3. a Task Force to channel help to areas affected by poverty and especially the spin-offs from increased migration such as provision of schools, health services and housing.
    4. proper funding for the NHS
    5. a dramatic increase in the size of HMRC to actually crack down on tax evasion
    6. an increase in top rates of tax to pay for the above

    I am aware that some of this is probably naive or overlaps to a great extent with Labour Party policy but it would need to be shouted from the roof-tops by a leader able to command the respect of people beyond their immediate circle. It might enable a new vote to reverse or ameliorate the catastrophic effects of the referendum and to advance progressive policies.

    Tim Boardman

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  12. I see the PLP are going to challenge Jeremy Corbyn for leadership of the party but not allow him to stand in that election. Their contempt for the membership and democracy know no bounds. I now really despair for the future of my party and my country. Isn’t there anything they won’t consider doing? More to the point, what can we do?

    Ray Southern
    10 July 2016

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  13. I would like to say that I fully support the CLP in their press release supporting Jeremy Corbyn. Yes, if there is a leadership contest everyone will get their vote but until that time our representatives should honour the last vote of the people.
    I will back Jeremy Corbyn all the way and am only sorry I do not have a labour MP to petition.

    Helen Tomlinson
    10 July 2016

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  14. @ Sam Prest
    I don’t quite understand what is “faux” about the executive. They were democratically elected to represent us. They opened this forum in response to the Labour crisis. I took that as an invitation for CLP members to voice their opinion.

    Not counting Alan Avery’s question about the EU, only 5 members took the opportunity to comment before the executive meeting. That seems to indicate that members either thought that the executive should represent them as they saw fit, or that they felt that they had already taken a democratic decision to back Corbyn and there was no need to comment, if they had not changed their minds. So the executive reiterated and endorsed the democratic decision of the CLP members by way standing up for democracy on our behalf.

    The executive have made it very easy for members to take a stand, and I don’t think it is their job to chase after hundreds of members individually to elicit their opinions. A proper ballot of the members would presumably have taken far too long and been quite expensive? From reading the papers, I get the impression that all the other CLPs who have put out statements have handled it in a similar way to ours.

    @ Sam Prest and Ros and Tim
    You refer to discussions about our CLP on social media. Where have they been taking place? Is there a page for our CLP? I’m not on social media, but I would consider joining if there was one.

    Annemarie Kerry 08.07 2016

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  15. Regarding the decision by our executive to make a press statement, I would say that it is their job to react to situations like the present crisis, where a fast response is required.
    I imagine that the executive had quite a few emails from members that gave them an idea of how the majority felt. I certainly wrote to them.

    From what I gather, it isn’t normal practice to consult all members before every press statement?

    If members feel that they would like to be consulted before press releases then we will need to implement some mechanism for that and set out new rules.

    On the substance of the email correspondence:

    “Experienced politicians at national level can see that Jeremy Corbyn has not displayed any leadership skills since he was elected. It matters not what % of the Labour Party membership support him if this does not translate into a winning % of the popular vote.”

    I would say that what % of the membership support Corbyn matters a lot, because acc. to party rules they elect the leader and I think that’s a fine thing and we should insist that it stays that way.

    The membership is behind Corbyn because at the moment members have the choice between Corbyn who represents policies that they want and various other possible candidates, none of whom represent the same policies.
    Presumably, they don’t see the point of Labour winning an election on policies that are a very slightly milder version of austerity than the Tories’. And there is of course no indication that any other candidate would do better in an election that Corbyn.

    If the “experienced politicians” think that the way to improve matters is for MPs to throw a tantrum in the middle of a national crisis and carry out a coup without a plan and without an alternative candidate to put forward while making contradictory statements to the press several times a day, then all I can say is that Corbyn looks like quite a superb tactician by contrast. He may not possess wonderful leadership qualities, but Angela Eagle doesn’t quite seem to hack it either 🙂
    @ Ray Southern – Well put. I hope we’ll get our act together as a party and be able to turn this into a fairer and more civilised society again.

    Annemarie Kerry

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  16. I would be grateful if you would place this recording of Neil Kinnock’s speech to the PLP on the forum as this pretty much sums up how many of us feel.
    Talk of loyalty to Corbyn is nonsense – he has never shown loyalty to other Labour leaders.

    Ros Shannon

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  17. Has anyone got any good ideas about how to keep the PLP under control in future? I think we have a real problem with party democracy here.
    The membership has elected a Labour leader and parts of the PLP have just decided to ignore our vote and sabotaged him from the start at every possible opportunity.
    If they can now blackmail the party into ditching him that means that decisions by the membership will in future be meaningless.
    This has nothing to do with whether we support Jeremy or not – it’s a matter of principle.
    The stories about the shinanigans of Portland Communications (led by Alastair Campbell) are pretty sinister, too, if they turn out to be true.
    What’s to be done?

    Annemarie Kerry

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  18. I have to say, I’m quite frankly disgusted at the way this ‘faux executive’ has acted recently.
    It is NOT in the members, nor the parties interest to go behind the backs of hardworking and passionate members and impose your personal beliefs as the say so of the CLP. Yes Jeremy was our preferred candidate, on a small turnout I must add.
    But to go forth and openly back him without consultation of members is quite frankly unacceptable. It is an affront to Jeremy’s “good honest politics” and doesn’t encourage anyone to work with the CLP in the future if our voice as members is discarded and ridden rough shot over.
    I will be contacting regional office to formally complain about this decision, and sincerely hope the ‘exec’ apologises and withdraws the statements.
    I’m ashamed to be tarnished with the brush of this CLP at the minute. This is NOT what we’ve spent the past 6 years building.

    Yours regrettably.

    Sam prest.

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  19. Yesterday We had some communication with Dave Yellan to express our concern regarding the press statement issued by Thirsk and Malton CLP in support of Jeremy Corbyn. This statement was issued by the “executive ” without any consultation with members and we now understand is probably in breach of Labour Party rules.
    This is a record of the last email sent-
    “Experienced politicians at national level can see that Jeremy Corbyn has not displayed any leadership skills since he was elected. It matters not what % of the Labour Party membership support him if this does not translate into a winning % of the popular vote.

    As such we are currently heading to be a party of protest and not a party of power and if we cannot achieve this we will never change the conditions of the most vulnerable in our society and will have therefore let them down.

    The MPs, many of whom we hold in high regard, have overwhelmingly rejected him as a leader and let’s face it they have the most direct experience of his practice. We all know what it is like to be full of enthusiasm but be stuck with a poor manager/ leader who cannot perform at the appropriate level.

    I say again that we do not agree with the statement supporting his leadership basically because we don’t feel he has the leadership qualities needed to operate at a national or international level”.
    In our last email we asked that the statement be amended to be more accurate or be withdrawn. This has not happened nor did that email receive a reply. Having spoken to a number of CLP members it is clear that Corbyn does not have the over whelming support you believe he has in Thirsk and Malton and that people are unhappy at their views being misrepresented in this way. A number of people have taken to Social Media to highlight that your statement does not represent their views.
    Regards
    Ros and Tim Hutchinson

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  20. Having been contacted by many members over the weekend, both by social media and telephone, I would like to use the forum to ask the question of why the Executive have sought fit to issue a statement without the consultation of its members. This is not on, and represents closed shop politics, which should not be tolerated in our party.
    Members are free to respond with their views, but I am not asking the question of whether they give their backing to Jeremy Corbyn, but whether they feel the Executive have acted democratically and in their interests, Because they have not spoken for me, and many others including those that have posted in the forum so far.

    Tim Prest
    MALTON.
    Former Secretary, Chair, and Vice Chair, founding member of the new CLP after boundary changes, former delegate, agent and candidate in 4 elections.

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  21. It’s not the best of three. Leave means leave. Remain had the backing of the Prime Minister,the Conservative Party,the leader of the Labour Party, the Labour Party, the Lib Dems, the Greens and the SNP….and we lost. It’s time to move forward and deal with the hand we’ve been given. I don’t think all the people were mislead or are racist, they voted for things as they see it. The result should be respected.

    Ray Southern

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  22. I too am dismayed by the result of the Referendum and all that has happened since, both in the country and in the Labour Party. I did not support Jeremy Corbyn for leader and I have not been impressed with his performance at all. The only time I think he came across well following the tragic death of Jo Cox.

    In my opinion he should stand down. There is no point having a leader who cannot win the next election.. We have go to get the Tories out. and I don’t think Corbyn can do that.

    Christine Dowie

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  23. Why are the PLP so out of touch with their constituents? Many lost the vote on their own turf,by Labour voters. So what do they do to reconcile their differences? They fight among each other,playing some sort of blame game. I hope they’re proud of themselves.

    Ray Southern

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  24. Dear PLP Splitters

    I am writing to express my disgust and dismay over your actions after the referendum vote. You have decided on desertion rather than unity in these troubled times and put your personal ambitions above your parliamentary duties.
    I did not vote for Jeremy Corbyn but he is our leader. However, you have taken it upon yourselves to disregard the overwhelming support the membership has given him. What are the Splitters doing while the Tories are fighting over the result of the referendum and the leadership contest? Nothing other than bad mouthing our leader over the result of the referendum and the leadership contest? Nothing other than bad mouthing our leader and showing disloyalty to the membership.

    I know I am a nobody and have no influence in the Westminster bubble. I don’t even have a Labour Constituency MP to shout at. All I have is the hope for a better future but even that now looks to have been dashed on the rocks of your co-ordinated desertion. I hope you are all proud of yourselves as you stand with David Cameron in asking for Jeremy’s resignation while I decide if I should eat or pay my overdue social care bill.

    Your selfish actions mean I now have no voice in Parliament. Your unprofessional conduct means the country is in disarray with only warring Tories to listen to in the press. No hope for people like me then? This is my last chance to get a little man’s voice heard.

    You are all welcome to come and see m face to face in my Housing Association Flat. Any day but Friday because I don’t eat on Fridays so I can pay my bills and keep my head above water, plus I tend to be a bit grumpy as I settle into a cuppa and my bag of Wotsits. However, I don’t think you will come or engage with constituents in a similar position to me because your behaviour has shown me people like me do not matter anymore.

    Yours in anger
    Ray Southern

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  25. In reply to Alan Avery’s EU question,

    My answer would depend a lot on what the polls show in the next few weeks. I would normally say that the result of the referendum should be respected, but if it turns out that there is quite clearly a very considerable number of people who regret their decision, perhaps we should look for a way of staying in the EU.

    In response to Vic Hoyland

    I totally agree. I have been disgusted by the way that sections of the PLP have been acting since Jeremy got elected, and I just couldn’t believe that people who claim to love the Labour Party not only wanted to overturn the decision of the membership, but took care to resign in a way that must have been designed to cause maximum damage to the image of the party – staggering their resignations and keeping the issue in the media for days on end.

    Is there any mechanism by which the resigners can be stopped from dragging the whole thing out to create more chaos? Could a Corbyn ally challenge him in order to get the process started and then retract at a later point?

    Annemarie Kerry

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  26. I rejoined Labour in recognition of the renewed, recognisable spirit that Jeremy brought to the Party, so I am appalled by the PLP determination to have rid of him.

    The Social Democratic wing of Labour is being opportunistic, blind and deaf to where it, and we, find ourselves. Much as I have liked Chukka in the past, I was embarrassed by his hysteria on polling night. Dapper Londoners don’t seem to understand the depths of despair which sprawls across the provinces which are in revolt against Westminster. It’s not down to Jeremy that this is the country’s spirit we inhabit now; it has been a long time coming. All those PLP members must take responsibility too. Cameron made a very grave mistake by pressing for and giving this referendum in the first place.

    I’ll try to sit this out and wait to see what happens. But I am deeply concerned that we are about to lose the Labour Party I had hoped had been, at last, recovered from Blair’s Islington smoothy version.

    Vic Hoyland

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  27. Labour Party policy is still to remain within the European Union. Should we accept the Referendum decision or go to the nation as the Party to lead us back into Europe?

    Alan Avery.

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